Cami Anderson: The Left-Right School Discipline Debate Misses the Point. We Need a Third Way

Cami Anderson shares her thoughts on improving school culture by systematically rethinking how teachers are trained and supported to how we report and learn from classroom and school-based incidents. This article first appeared in The 74, a non-profit, non-partisan news site covering education in America. Chat with Teachers has been given permission by the author to feature this article as a guest blog entry. 

The Left-Right School Discipline Debate Misses the Point. We Need a Third Way
by Cami Anderson

Imagine a small math classroom filled with exuberant 12-year-olds. They are loud and engaged. One group is working on algebra and comparing notes to solve a problem. Another group is using a self-paced computer program to practice foundational math skills that an assessment indicated to their teacher they needed. A third is being guided by the teacher through a problem requiring complex equations.

CamisGuestBlogOccasionally, one of the groups erupts in laughter; you might hear someone blurt out, “I am never going to get this” — only to go right back to work. A chime signals the time to change activities; student captains keep the transition smooth. There’s a little horseplay and poking, but within minutes, students are at their stations enthusiastically tackling a new task.

The scene could be an elite private school, but it’s actually a crowded sixth-grade classroom in one of the country’s poorest ZIP codes. When you visit, you don’t wonder if the teacher can “control” the class or question if poor kids can succeed at high academic levels.

Instead, you meet a teacher who visits students’ homes and gets to know what makes each child tick. She can vividly describe their dreams, what motivates and triggers each one, how she helps them identify those patterns for themselves. She can talk about the systems and rituals she constructs with students and how she puts them in charge of their learning and behavior.

She’d invite you to observe class meetings and restorative circles, where students repair relationships and personal damage when the students challenge authority and show disrespect, as they inevitably will, even in this carefully built community. For her and the mission-driven school team she is part of, student discipline means coaching children to develop the habit of persisting to master a skill, however hard.

Others in her school, from the principal to teachers and school safety agents, will tell you discipline doesn’t mean punishing young people who fail to comply.

Much has been written lately about whether schools should be called to task for how they discipline kids. Civil rights groups say punitive discipline is racially biased and disproportionately pushes kids of color into an even more racist judicial system that severely limits their life options. They’re right: 10 percent of all high schoolers are suspended; among male African Americans, the figure is about one-third.

Nearly half of school-based arrests are of African-American students (though they are nowhere near 50 percent of students). Being suspended makes you three times as likely to drop out and three times as likely to become incarcerated.

Some conservative publications and think tanks, such as the Manhattan Institute, which recently published a study about school discipline, argue that limiting punitive discipline leads to lower teacher morale. To some extent, they are right. Teacher surveys in New York show that some teachers and students report that their schools feel less safe since central administrators have made it much harder for teachers to remove kids from their class.

But the debate about discipline among adults, as it’s being argued, mistakes the response for the cure. Simply decrying the injustice of disproportionate suspensions doesn’t help kids, but suggesting schools will descend into chaos if we stop suspending “bad kids” is worse. We need a third way that integrates a school’s approach to discipline with high-quality, culturally competent school cultures, teaching and learning practices, and student supports, and that builds the capacity of schools to make good on this approach.

Here’s an analogy. For much of my childhood, I was a competitive swimmer. I didn’t win a lot, though, because my flip-turn was too slow. My coach saw that I took an extra stroke, and though we tried to fix it, my times stagnated. He blamed himself: He’d been too technical, faulted me publicly, didn’t study enough tape. Or maybe he needed to motivate me to work harder.

In the end, it was all of these. We kept at it and I became much faster. I never heard him say, “Too bad Cami didn’t get the flip-turn gene” or “I’ll bench her if she doesn’t improve that flip-turn.”

My swim coach and the math teacher I observed have a lot in common. They believe habits can be changed and that it’s their job to figure out how for children who can’t do it alone. They constantly think about adaptations that may help students achieve peak performance. They both have high expectations, but they’re able to seed them by putting kids at the helm.

We would never say of a child that “he just can’t learn how to read”; similarly we shouldn’t wonder whether young people can learn self-control, how to de-escalate anger, resolve conflict, and focus. We need instead to think of how to effectuate that growth, as if we were coaches of the academic, social, and emotional skills of our kids, even when they challenge us.

Having taught young people who were suspended, run suspension centers, overseen the schools on Rikers Island, and been in many school lockdowns, I know this is a difficult shift. It takes more than a pious call to “decrease suspensions” or a reliance on individual acts by heroic teachers.

Improving school culture is much more demanding as well as inseparable from the rest of school life. We need to systematically rethink everything we do — from how teachers are trained and supported to how we report and learn from classroom and school-based incidents. We need to take a hard look at whether we are building school cultures that empower all students to perform hard work that is meaningful to them. We need systems that ensure that students who challenge authority or hurt others are coached, not pathologized.

Most of all, regardless of how difficult it is to reach every student, including those who make bad choices, we have to stop weighing whether or not the status quo is acceptable. When the United States of America has more African Americans incarcerated than were enslaved in 1850, everyone who contributes to the school-to-prison pipeline is either part of the problem or part of the solution.

Episode 21 – Cami Anderson


CamiAndersonPHOTO“I like to think of it as choice ready, which is to say I think every kid needs to graduate with very high levels of reading, writing, quantitative, social and civic skills,” shares Cami Anderson, co-founder of ROADS, a network of charter high schools dedicated to court-involved youth, and former superintendent of schools, first overseeing alternative high schools and programs serving 90,000 young adults in New York City and then supporting 45,000 pre-K–12 students in Newark, New Jersey.

“… I think we have to be very real [about] 21st century jobs – only one in five jobs in 2020 is going to be available to folks without a post-secondary degree,” Cami continues as she discusses the importance of ensuring that all students are learning both college-ready and life-ready skills. “So, if we want folks to be life ready, to have access to economic freedom, justice, and all those things, and even the ability to thrive in 21st century jobs, requires a ton of academic and hard-core content. Gone are the days when we have vocational careers, persay – I mean everyone always has one example about their cousin who is a plumber or something – but the reality is, the vast majority of jobs are going to require a level of academic knowledge. And I want all of our kids to know that, because I don’t want to make that choice for them because they happen to be growing up potentially in an economically challenged circumstance. Having said that, they also need to be passionate about what they do and know how to work through challenges, and de-escalate anger, and vote, and build a community. Obviously those skills are just as critical.”

Fast Facts about Cami

  1. Full name: Cami Anderson
  2. Years in education: Over 15 years in both traditional and non-traditional education settings
  3. Grades taught: Middle School
  4. Current position: Founder and Managing Partner, ThirdWay Solutions
  5. Current city: New York, NY
  6. Favorite resources:
  7. Why teach: “Every single child, regardless of what zip code they are born in, deserve to be in an amazing classroom and a good school that delivers on their genius; there’s no more important or difficult job.”
  8. Follow Cami on Twitter @camianderson12

Noteworthy Outtakes from Cami’s Chat

Recognized by TIME magazine as one of the world’s 100 most influential people, Cami Anderson is a fierce advocate of high academic expectations and a well-rounded educational system that meets the needs of all students, from all walks of life.

Equality doesnt mean Equity“I think equality means everyone gets the same amount of things – teachers, money, resources, breakfast programs, etcetera – on the theory that somehow we have a level playing field already,” says Cami on the differences between equality and equity. “And so therefore the same amount of [resources] will allow everyone to achieve at the same levels.

“And we know that’s not true, our country has a very rich history of systemic racism in particular, and other -isms, that make it unfair for certain groups of folks.” Cami continues. “Equity is when you invest whatever you need to invest to make sure that every young person, in this case education, is able to perform at the highest levels academically, socially and civically. And so that means – and I am perfectly comfortable with this – some young people need more in order for them to overcome the barriers that have been placed in front of them. Not by their own choosing, but just by circumstance or zip code.”

Listen as Cami goes further in depth about this topic, her work to provide formerly incarcerated youth with quality education that leads to a High School diploma and more.

Want to learn more about Cami? Click here for her full bio.

Episode 20 – Mareike Hachemer


mareikehachemer“I think as humans we tend to think of success as being self-made … and feelings of failure to be caused by someone else, maybe a bad teacher, and that is often true, I guess. But, I think we don’t give the good teachers enough credit, because we take them for granted, like we sometimes take other good people in our surroundings for granted,” says Mareike Hachemer, an educator of 14 years from Wiesbaden, Germany, on the importance of uplifting the teaching profession in the eyes of society. “I think it’s important for us to share their stories as teachers … ask them how they contribute to the global goals. And I think it’s important that we continue convincing education journalists to take a new approach.

“We focus on the negative,” continues Mareike as she discusses the tendency of top news stories about teachers focusing on things like sexual harassment or teachers who publicly shame students. “…but I think it’s important that we also focus on what’s being done, what works, why does it work …. A more prominent position for education news. Lots of big newspapers only have education news once a week or once there is something very big like an international study. There are so many stories about education that need to be told and that the public can learn from and teachers can learn from and students and parents can learn from. I think those need to be shared more often and they need to be on a similar importance as news about the economy or news about other social or medical advancements, and they certainly need to be on a higher level than real estate and pop culture.”

Fast Facts about Mareike

  1. Full name: Mareike Hachemer
  2. Years Teaching: 14
  3. Grade(s) taught: K5-13 and university level
  4. Current position: Teacher, UNESCO-Delegate, Global Educator Task Force at
  5. Current city: Wiesbaden, Germany
  6. Favorite resources:
  7. Why teach: Because 60 Million teachers and 1.2 Billion students have the power to change the world!

Noteworthy Outtakes from Mareike’s Chat

As the third Global Teacher Prize Finalist to chat with teachers, Mareike talks to listeners about the need for teaching global citizenship and building the skills in our own classroom that will help lead to students who are self-directed learners who are critical thinkers, productive citizens and lifelong learners.

“[Teachers must take opportunities to implicitly teach] the social emotional skills, and the behavioral skills, so that [students] can make a difference, locally, nationally and globally,” says Mareike. “That first started for me when I asked a group of 15-year-olds, who they thought could make a difference in the world, and they all said no one can.”

Mareike shared how her students insisted people like Bill Gates could make a difference in the world but remained unconvinced about other examples she presented to them. “They also tended to look at those change makers in a very negative way and suggested that they had ulterior motives, or that they just wanted to be in the center of attention, or that they just wanted to, I don’t know, be self-important. From that, came the idea of letting them try to make a difference.”

Mareike’s students were then tasked with a four-week challenge to make a difference. She discusses the challenges her students faced at first with doubt and their tendency to think up overly ambitious ideas. However, she then talks about the opportunity for building problem solving skills, and learning about scaling their ideas down to meet their tight four-week deadline. Part of the work also included the need to consider possible setbacks. In the end, students were able to see ways they could make a difference in the world by offering tutoring to peers, visiting a local animal shelter or helping the homeless.

Through perseverance and reflection, listen in as Mareike shares her passion for helping students reach their full potential and become active citizens.

Episode 19 – João Couvaneiro


João_Image1“Every kid has a smart phone in his pocket, most kids have iPads or tablets or devices like that, and with these mobile devices we can have access to the world,” says Mr. João Couvaneiro, a High School history teacher in Almada, Portugal and a 2017 Top 50 Finalist for the Global Teacher Prize. “If you bring this technology to the teaching methods, you are using the tools that kids are using in their daily life. [Students] are hyper connected, they are doing lots of stuff online and we can use it for good or for bad… Bringing these devices to the teaching process, we are dealing with the tools that kids recognize and feel that are useful for all their learning.

“For instance,” João continues, “if we adults are at a dinner and speaking about a subject
that we don’t know that much about, we Google the thing we are speaking of. Why not do that in the classroom? I’m a history teacher … if I am speaking about the New Deal in the States, or if I am speaking about Mussolini, or if I am speaking about the European
construction, I can have access right now to lots of media that is available online, and that enriches my teaching process. So I can be more effective in the teaching I am doing if I am using all the resources available … so why shouldn’t we bring the technology that we have available in our daily life to the classroom? Students are very fluent with these technologies, teachers sometimes are not that fluent, but if teachers are comfortable with the idea of not leading the process all the time, but scaffolding the process, teachers can achieve much better results using these powerful tools.”

João_Image5Fast Facts about João

  1. Full name: João Couvaneiro
  2. Years teaching: 21
  3. Grade(s) taught: 7th-9th grade and college courses
  4. Current position(s) and location(s):
    • Mozambique – Teacher and Teacher Trainer (School in a Box)
    • Portugal – Deputy Director of the National Agency for Qualification and Vocational Education (ANQEP)
  5. Current city of residence: Almada, Portugal
  6. Favorite books:
  7. Mentioned during our chat:
    • UNESCO: Encourages international peace and universal respect for human rights by promoting collaboration among nations.
    • School in a Box: A community digital engagement project developed by the Institute of Art Design and Technology (IADT), Dun Laoghaire, Ireland. The School in a Box project is a program in Mozambique that João helps to facilitate the advancement of local teachers in incorporating the use of film and digital technologies to enhance learning among a typically underprivileged community of learners.
    • Apple Distinguished Educator

Noteworthy Outtakes from João’s Chat


João Couvaneiro, a son of teachers, lives and breathes teaching – whether in his own history classroom in Portugal, or in schools in Mozambique that are often times a far distance to travel to and from, are overcrowded, and lack an adequate number of quality teachers.

Having been a former oversees territory of Portugal, Mozambique is also João’s birth place, and so when he was asked to join the School in a Box Project through UNESCO, he jumped at the opportunity to help train teachers on how to use technology to enhance student learning.

Listen in as João talks about how this work aims to support teachers in becoming comfortable with using iPads and setting up projection and solar energy components. Teachers are also trained to quickly and easily create lessons using these technologies. The focus entirely being on making learning relevant and meeting the needs of bringing students in Mozambique into the 21st century.

João_Image2João’s commitment to teacher development, in a still rather underdeveloped community, is evident in his description of the very real struggles teachers and students continue to experience.

“[Empowering] teachers right now in Mozambique and in Portugal, it means different things,” says João. “In Mozambique the wages of the teachers are very low, some of them struggle a lot just to arrive to the school because there is no public transport system, they have to take several private transports to arrive just in school. It is a very difficult reality. The school we are working in it’s a school with 5,000 students, so teachers don’t have good conditions to work… showing [teachers] different technologies, showing them that they can use different tools that we are providing them [allows them to] have access to all the resources that we have in Europe or the States.

“They can have, right now, access to the internet. They can use different apps to enhance their lessons, so they are bringing their teaching to the 21st century, and that is empowering teachers,” continues Mr. João. “…being a teacher in Mozambique right now, it is not that different from what teaching was 100 years ago, with a book, in front of the class, the students in a passive mode. Changing that allows these teachers to be a teacher of the 21st century… so we are allowing teachers in Mozambique to be teachers of the present.”

Here is a sneak peek at João, and the School in a Box Project, working on empowering teachers in Mozambique through the use of technology:

Along with his commitment to his work in Mozambique, João also shares about the work in his own high school classroom in Almada, Portugal. Additionally, he talks about what it’s like taking on all the projects that he does while also being a husband and father to a nine-year-old son and newborn baby boy. Here is a look at João’s students in Portugal:



7 Ways Politics Has Affected My Teaching

If there is one thing the most recent Presidential election has done for society, that no one can deny, it’s that it made talking politics cool and relevant again. Sure, Former President Barack Obama has gone down in many people’s eyes as the coolest and most casual president in history, but no doubt about it – even back during the primary elections PoliticsinEdof 2016, people who were never much into politics starting talking about it, living it, breathing it in ways that hasn’t happened in many years…. even in classrooms among students as young as in first grade.

During a recent morning circle with my students, my 1st-3rd grade class was asked the question, “What are some things you would like to see improve in our classroom?” instead of naming things like, “more books in our library,” or “longer recess!” they began listing things like, “immigrants should be treated fairly!” and, “we need to stop a wall from being built!”

I was floored and impressed with their thoughts, and their insightful knowledge of the current political climate around them.  The impact of political decisions and processes on children has since been on my mind and a deep area of interest I have been exploring on several chats I’ve had with teachers. Check out some ways that politics has affected our teaching:

  1. We have to be activists!
    “We have to be activists,” reflects Phil S. Quinlan, 7th grade social studies teacher in Scottville, MI, as he chats about what he believes is the role of educators when discussing the current state of politics with students. “How did all of a sudden our profession become demonized?” he continued. “I have an opinion on it, but I have to be careful as far as, if I want to encourage my students to have voice and choice, I have to model that. I don’t want the students to know my perspective. Because what am I doing? I am not really enabling them to have a thought of their own. So, when it comes to students, I want them to ask driving questions, essential questions of the ‘how’s’ and ‘why’s and try to make connections… of how politics, and today’s world, plays into their future.
  2. We have to plant seeds
    “Anybody in power can come and take away your life, they can take your wealth, they can take your freedom, but they can never take your education,” shares Bill Price, upper elementary teacher in Oakland, CA, as he recalls the lasting impact his grandmother’s words has had on his teaching life. “…that really stuck with me and I thought, ‘Yeah, she’s right.’ They can stick me in a prison cell, they can keep me away from the people that I love, they can take all of my material wealth, but they can’t take what I’ve learned. And if I can’t play rock and roll guitar […] then I want to plant seeds, I want to grow gardens on these young impressionable minds and have them be the next change makers.”
  3. We must seek inspiration from our students
    “I am inspired by my students at the high school I teach at in Denver, Colorado.  My students are primarily Latino/Hispanic, and a large percentage are children of undocumented parents, or are undocumented themselves.  I see these young people defeat the odds every single day,” shares Edwina Lucero a teacher in the Denver metro area for the last 13 years.

    “I see them survive through the inherit grit that they bring every day with them to the classroom – a skill I don’t need to teach them,” Edwina continues. “I see them dream and hope and love and create.  I also see them fear and wonder what the future brings.  These young people inspire me to be an active citizen – as the saying goes, we will never be truly free until we all share the same rights as you and me.

    “The arts are the avenue I travel with these young people. It is on that road that we are able to intersect with things like human spirit, empathy, empowerment, and knowledge of self.  This country is full of free-thinking, critical-thinking, and forward-thinking people. Regardless of your politics, the arts are an integral part of our existence. Whether you are celebrating triumphantly or marching in resistance, you are doing so to the beat of some drum – the music, the art, the expression of self – they are part of who you are.

    “We cannot allow the tyranny of fear to overtake our culture. Now is the time to write, sing, play, dance, sculpt, and create our destiny.”

  4. We have to design curriculum based on citizen engagement and helping students see themselves as change makers.
    What began as one teacher’s “crazy idea” has now become an annual tradition at Urban Montessori Charter School (UMCS) — where I have the pleasure of teaching in Oakland, CA —  “TARDIS Time Travel Change Makers Day” has become an annual tradition at UMCS. Students get to explore change makers: people who make peaceful, positive change in the world and focusing their energy on creating research projects and costumes to match the change maker of their choice. This project engages children to explore how ancestors have shaped the larger story of where we come from and how we have changed the world and helps them envision themselves as confident change makers. Teachers get to act as Time Lords and invoke the TARDIS (from Doctor Who) to bring together all the researched change makers to share about themselves. Children are invited to wear costumes they’ve made ahead of time as a classroom art project and dress up as a peaceful
    representation of what they envision their change maker to have looked like.“One crazy idea, to a spirit week activity, is now a School Wide Community Celebration,” says Gilbert Parada, Lead Teacher at UMCS. “I am very grateful and excited to have seen my ridiculous idea become something real, and, something that inspired many children to see change makers in our past to present timeline, with the inspiration to think of their future change making potential.”
  5. We have to share and relate to our students so they know they are not alone.
    “I just think all the women in my family are pretty amazing. They really inspired me, because growing up there was no fathers around. It was kind of an interesting situation. You know of course, I had to go through my traumatic experiences as a young person, but I got out of it,” shares Jackie Rodriguez-Vega on relating and connecting to her students. “But I think that’s one thing that really connects me with my youth, I am just so open about how I grew up. I was raised by a single mom and a lot of kids connect with that, because they’re raised by single moms, or they’re raised by their grandma, or they’re raised by their tia, their aunt. My father left my mother when I was five, and she was two months pregnant with my sister … my mom, she’s just a hard worker. She raised three kids on her own, and she just completely inspired me.”
  6. We must validate one another in this amazing teaching profession that we are in together.
    “Find ways everyday to avoid the isolation,” reflects Estella Owoimaha-Church, a top 50 finalist for the 2017 Global Teacher Prize as she discussed the heartfelt validation she felt among colleagues at the recent ceremony in Dubai. “The isolation I think is what leads to the depression and teachers leaving the field in […] hoards, it’s the isolation – we’ve got to figure out how to avoid that. So connecting with like-minded teachers and working with like-minded teachers, and doing everything we can to uplift the entire profession. I know that’s hard and we maybe didn’t sign up for that, but I think it’s kind of on us now and I appreciate Varkey, Mr. Sonny Varkey and the Varkey Foundation, for what they’re doing to do that around the world. We’ve got to avoid the isolation.”
  7. traininggroundQuoteWe  have to truly have zero tolerance for bullying and take the time to stop class and have discussions about things we hear our students are feeling.
    At no point during my teacher training program was it mentioned that teaching was actually 90% relationships and 10% academics. At least that’s what it feels like, and what many teachers I have had the pleasure of chatting with  have expressed too. During my first year of teaching I was so focused on making sure I delivered the best lesson plans possible, that in hindsight, I realize that my students, and myself, would have benefited immensely from strong relationship building first. Now, as the political climate has permeated the classroom – empathy and creating a classroom culture of inclusiveness through things like restorative justice circles are what matter most.
    Sure, bullying should never be tolerated – but it shouldn’t just be something discussed with the students or families involved in the situation either. The restorative process of mediation and conferencing in a circle that includes the entire classroom community provides a space where everyone can have a voice about how they are feeling about things going on around them. Whether a specific instance of bullying, or a general consensus of feeling like a change needs to happen for the betterment of our classroom community, students are able to speak out around the circle. The entire process is value driven and designed to bring healing and understanding to the community.

    Students are empowered to “design think” around solving a problem together. It’s not about me telling them what the rules are, it’s about them noticing and caring about a problem, brainstorming a solution, prototyping that solution and coming back together to reflect and start the whole process again if need be. If that means we spend a chunk of time together in this process, then that’s what needs to happen. Rushing to the content, if something is truly affecting the classroom community, will only lead to students who are not ready to learn and a teacher burnt out and frustrated that a well-thought out lesson plan has gone down the drain.

As I reflect on all the ways that politics has affected my teaching, a pattern presents itself: Our classrooms are a training ground for the real life our students will undoubtedly step into one day. We are there to teach content, but we are also there to help build values of respect, honesty, listening, truth, sharing, and growth.

Episode 18 – Jackie Rodriguez-Vega


JaclynImage“I mostly teach Raza, I mostly teach Mexican youth,” says Jackie Rodriguez-Vega as she explores the effect of the current political climate on the Latino youth she teaches, which also include young people from Puerto Rico, Honduras, El Salvador and more. “They already know what’s going on. They know that people in positions of power are not for them. And what do you do with that? You know, you’re in a U.S. History class and you’re talking about the beauty of voting… I’m personally trying to build young people who are going to be critical about what’s going on all around them. Especially politically, because they are influenced by it, right? They live in this country – everything that they go through is through that. So, I want them to see perspectives, I want them to see all these different sides so that hopefully when they do get older they want to participate in that process. But it’s kind of hard when deportations are happening, or that fear … all those things that are real.”

Fast Facts about Jackie

  1. Full name: Jackie Rodriguez Vega
  2. Years teaching: 6
  3. Grade(s) taught: Jackie has taught middle school through people in their late 60’s.
  4. Current position: History teacher at a neighborhood high school, Jackie currently teaches Latin American History & U.S. History.
  5. Current city: Chicago, Illinois
  6. Favorite books:
  7. Favorite resources: Jackie is a big advocate for Paulo Freire and believes teachers who want to inspire and do creative work in the classroom need to check out his work. Also, Funds of Knowledge, recognizing people of color come with inherent knowledge and it is our job as educators to unpack it and build upon it.
  8. Why teach: “I teach because my sole purpose is to heal with my community and I believe the act of learning is a healing experience. I work with Mexican/Latino youth because I believe they deserve the best educational experience possible. My mom would always tell me when I was a kid, our people need a good home, she was a real estate agent, and I believe my people need a good education and that is why I am a teacher.”

Noteworthy Outtakes from Jackie’s Chat

Ms. Jackie Rodriguez-Vega, an educator of 10 years in Chicago Illinois, teaches in the same public school system she grew up in, and in the same conditions as her students — she says she has decided to stay and give back to her community by helping to improve her neighborhood.

Jackie is also the daughter of a single Mexican-American mother, who she says always influenced her to give back to her “people.” She credits her mother for the work she puts into impacting her students every day.

“I just think all the women in my family are pretty amazing. They really inspired me, because growing up there was no fathers around. It was kind of an interesting situation. You know of course, I had to go through my traumatic experiences as a young person, but I got out of it,” reflects Jackie as she delivers a passionate account of how she is able to take what could have potentially been an excuse to make poor decisions in her life, and turned her childhood experiences into an opportunity to build relationships with her students.

“But I think that’s one thing that really connects me with my youth, I am just so open about how I grew up,” Jackie continues. “I was raised by a single mom and a lot of kids connect with that, because they’re raised by single moms, or they’re raised by their grandma, or they’re raised by their tia, their aunt. My father left my mother when I was five, and she was two months pregnant with my sister … my mom, she’s just a hard worker. She raised three kids on her own, and she just completely inspired me.”

Listen in as she shares more about her emboldened passion for teaching the Latino youth in her neighborhood of Chicago, Illinois, or “Chi-town,” as she calls it — all while appreciating the need to provide hope for things like higher education, but also recognizing that every young person’s journey will be different, yet valuable nonetheless.